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welcome to the john ford ufo nightmare

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a dedicated ufologist's journey through

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welcome everybody to episode 24 of the

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john ford ufo nightmare tonight we've

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gathered our brain trust for another

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good show tonight we have on mr peter

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moon how you doing peter he could be on

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mute so he's listening standing by rich

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smith how are you doing today rach i'm

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doing good there thanks for having me on

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board tonight perfect thanks for uh

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being here again joe supardo how are you

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doing joe

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all right fine thanks a lot great great

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mr ken storage uh how are you doing down

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there in the heat

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hey

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[Laughter]

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you hit the ten ring on that one mj

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doing just fine thanks for uh and for

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the invite but uh with these other

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people appreciate it perfect and mr bob

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tarmac how are you dealing with the heat

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i'm doing fine i'm actually inside i'm

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in a coffee house right now trying to

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stay out of the heat so

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having a nice cup of coffee

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awesome perfect perfect so i'm going to

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hand it over to bob uh go ahead bob and

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take it away

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okay guys i'd uh like to introduce you

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to the show this is the john ford ufo

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nightmare and uh basically if you never

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listened to the show or you have never

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heard

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of john ford and the john ford case

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uh i'm going to introduce you real fast

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to what's going on john ford was just a

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regular guy a regular joe uh just like

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you and me basically one of the most

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honest men on the on the planet he was a

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gun-toting

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officer of the court the supreme court

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of new york

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very very well trusted in any case john

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got too close to something he was doing

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a ufo investigation in on long island

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and got too close to some stuff that

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people just didn't want to know about

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and he started uh blowing the whistle

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and investigating even deeper

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they they trumped up

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false charges on him arrested him uh

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paraded him in front of uh

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the tv and all the all the tv networks

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were basically against them because you

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know it was trump church

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and then they they walked him up and

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basically threw away the key he has

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been in a

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institution for the criminal criminally

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insane for over 20 years

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reason this show exists is to keep the

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memory of john ford alive

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and hopefully to shame new york

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new york state

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and suffolk county and all the criminals

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that put john away

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i have i was not around for uh when john

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was put away and all this but i i'm

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gonna hand this over to rick smith who

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will give you about a five minute uh

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john ford what happened and then uh

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out and get him out so rick you wanna

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you wanna take over for uh for about

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uh sure definitely i'd be happy to there

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um you know for those of us who have

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the past year and those of us who are

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joining us brand new tonight

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um just uh hit the bullet points on

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what's important about

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what makes this so significant uh

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is the executive director of the long

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which is still out there today okay it

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controversial issues

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that he has he as a ufologist

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other researchers involved with lufon

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i'm losing you richard just about every

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other unnamed black item you can think

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of showed up out of the blue and started

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messed up rush hour traffic that night

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and there's been something to what was

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going on whether it was a genuine alien

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richard i can't you uh i got about every

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six word from you okay

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uh can you guys uh hear peter and

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everyone here peter yeah i i had to go i

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was uh getting my phone to work that's

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why i was gone i'm here now and i just

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are you better you want to take it over

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from there because they're losing me

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the john ford fiasco and of course the

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whole john ford problem

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irregularities in suffolk county

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post it if there's some place that the

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listeners can uh view it but what it is

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suffolk county it says the suffolk and

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this is posted in the motor pool at camp

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hero which is the montauk air force

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operate a toxic or hazardous materials

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with toxic materials uh had to do with

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illegal in addition to the ufo

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investigating he was doing there were

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we've been doing of one day me chasing

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the brookhaven town dump i chased it and

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and as well as suffolk county but now

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we're getting a bit of view as to who

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much seems to have a hand in these

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the irony of it peter

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the weapon of choice that john ford is

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accused of using is a toxic material i

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funny that this would come into me

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uh today just uh within the la before

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opening it up and looking at it when you

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guys called in

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i'd forgotten about the show

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and and i was in the middle of getting

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my phone you know problems sorted out

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which is all sorted out now so i mean

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but this this thing just came in

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and it's it's bizarre now the army

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sent a corps of engineers to clean up

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god it was a

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it was over 10 years ago

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it was the parsons corporation of los

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angeles who does underground cities and

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stuff and they did a whole cleanup of

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camp hero in conjunction with the u.s

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car army corps of engineers they were

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digging it up

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and claiming that they were getting rid

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of all the toxic stuff now

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they deliberately hid

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outcry what are these people doing at

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camp hero so they had a public meeting

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which i was informed of

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and they canceled it and then at the

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last minute they they announced where it

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was and i was able to go

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to the montauk downs with uh with a

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friend of mine where i met up with a

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couple other friends of mine and we

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listened to the army

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uh get up there and the parsons

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corporation in the army lied through

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their teeth

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about not having a uh

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there was no toxic materials on camp

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hero that they cleaned them all up

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and what was very funny is that the

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justification was the the army corps

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engineer was saying he says i i will bet

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my house i have a nice house in alabama

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over 250 thousand i will bet my entire

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house that there's no toxic material

286
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that what kind of bed is this you know

287
00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:11,920
this isn't las vegas you know he says

288
00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,800
yeah oh so he puts up his house as a bed

289
00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:16,320
uh of course

290
00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:18,720
those bunkers at camp hero were full of

291
00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:22,000
munitions which leak into the soil

292
00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,880
so

293
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you know the army

294
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lies big surprise

295
00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:27,440
um

296
00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:30,480
now the only way we can link the army to

297
00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:31,920
john ford

298
00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:33,680
uh because all of this was political

299
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with john powell

300
00:12:39,430 --> 00:12:37,360
it was all political it was thought to

301
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be largely over the dump

302
00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:40,480
and

303
00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:43,120
uh but the army only way it links to

304
00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:45,839
john ford is perhaps through the ufo

305
00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:46,880
connection

306
00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:48,079
uh

307
00:12:51,269 --> 00:12:49,440
that that would be

308
00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:51,279
and i think that's exactly how it went

309
00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:53,360
down richard

310
00:12:57,509 --> 00:12:54,639
is that the

311
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investigation of the unidentified craft

312
00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:00,240
that allegedly came down

313
00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:02,800
that's what got john for out there

314
00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:05,279
physically

315
00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:07,040
well he certainly

316
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was uh pursuing it and

317
00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:12,079
and then with the real

318
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you know the thing that really defeated

319
00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:16,560
john ford more than anything was his

320
00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:18,959
association with joseph masicelli who

321
00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:20,560
was ostensibly

322
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working

323
00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:23,279
through the suffolk county police

324
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ostensibly or in association with them

325
00:13:30,629 --> 00:13:28,000
yeah i think so

326
00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:30,639
or the district attorney's office and

327
00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:33,040
john still believe that by the way i

328
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:35,279
don't concur but i mean i'm going to go

329
00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:36,880
along with you know i'm just going to

330
00:13:40,949 --> 00:13:38,720
pass the information on john believes

331
00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:40,959
that joe is working directly for the

332
00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:42,880
district attorney's office

333
00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:47,279
um i tend to disagree only because

334
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:50,560
uh joe served jail time i think nine

335
00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:53,600
years at 12 years i have i i know he

336
00:13:58,629 --> 00:13:55,680
served like five years yeah but i think

337
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:58,639
he was looking at a lot of serious uh

338
00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:01,199
prison time had he not cooperated they

339
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,120
turned him he went to work for him and

340
00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:06,000
they offered him a lighter sentence i i

341
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,560
i think that's how that went down okay

342
00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:10,240
that's very impressive

343
00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:12,880
and was he john joseph was he not

344
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:15,680
registered as a police informant

345
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:18,160
i know not my knowledge

346
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:20,720
not to john's knowledge either i know

347
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,279
that the other the guy that he sold guts

348
00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:25,120
to was

349
00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,120
and i also would like to make a

350
00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:30,000
correction on the uh information i gave

351
00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:32,320
i spoke with john in some detail about

352
00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:34,000
ed zabo

353
00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:36,800
yeah the the uh the third

354
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:37,680
uh

355
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:40,000
you know alleged conspirator that they

356
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:42,320
that they they supposedly found him

357
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,720
weeks later or something like that he

358
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,480
worked for the department of defense and

359
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:48,480
he was assigned to the uh

360
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:51,040
to the grumman plant near there

361
00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:52,880
they were the ones using radioactive

362
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,120
material and having it dumped by the

363
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:56,880
town of brookhaven and the county of

364
00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:01,040
suffolk um zabo was uh i i gave

365
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:03,760
information that zabo was arrested and

366
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,959
convicted and and jailed for

367
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:09,920
uh weapons possession for a handgun

368
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:10,720
and

369
00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:14,079
as it happened uh john told me exactly

370
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:15,920
what happened in fact i just spoke with

371
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,120
him like a few hours ago on my phone

372
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:21,519
and um he told me that

373
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,160
zebo was

374
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:26,720
was arrested and convicted

375
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:29,199
for possession of fireworks of all

376
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:30,079
things

377
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,199
okay

378
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:34,320
um and um but there were several

379
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:37,120
handguns found in his home and he took a

380
00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:39,839
plea bargain he served about 12 months

381
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:41,839
approximately 12 months

382
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,079
in the county jail

383
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:46,160
he was convicted of did you say

384
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:48,320
fireworks fireworks

385
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:50,560
works yes fireworks in new york are

386
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:57,749
every year the neighborhoods blow up i

387
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,079
mean you know there's fires

388
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,160
yeah some kid blows his hand off and

389
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:04,079
they they arrest a few people here and

390
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,600
they only do that once

391
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:07,360
so that they're doing something but the

392
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,800
thing is he's arrested fireworks and

393
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:13,040
uh there's a story behind that too he

394
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,680
bought the contents of somebody's garage

395
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,360
site unseen from

396
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:19,680
and uh he unpacked the boxes and he

397
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,839
found a bunch of fireworks and fireworks

398
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,680
making equipment

399
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:24,720
and he

400
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:27,279
then called the police at

401
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,399
john's advice he called the police

402
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,639
and uh that's when they came down there

403
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,759
they gave him

404
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:35,680
you know an appearance ticket

405
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,639
and it was everyone was arrested

406
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,040
because he had he discovered fireworks

407
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,120
in a uh storage unit that he bought or

408
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,880
whatever garage whatever

409
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,800
yeah it was a yeah it was the cops come

410
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,560
there and they arrest him because he

411
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,680
called him there to tell him that he's

412
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,600
got these fire are you kidding me

413
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,759
and he writes that he took fireworks

414
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:54,880
away and they gave him a court

415
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,959
appearance ticket and then after john

416
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:58,880
was arrested they searched his house

417
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:01,920
they found several handguns

418
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,240
the handguns if you plead guilty to the

419
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,319
fireworks and pay the maximum fine and

420
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:08,880
do the maximum uh sentence

421
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:12,160
for possession of fireworks

422
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:14,000
the cops searched his house after they

423
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,919
arrested him after he called them is

424
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:17,280
that what is that what you're saying no

425
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,039
no no no at first at first he called

426
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:23,600
john advised ed

427
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,199
zabo to call call the fleet which he did

428
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,440
and they and tell him what happened and

429
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,520
so they arrested they gave him a court

430
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,919
appearance ticket for the fireworks in

431
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,679
other words he was going to plead you

432
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,600
know i well i bought this stuff and i

433
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:38,960
called the police i thought i was doing

434
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,240
the right thing of course right

435
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,480
right exactly i mean that's that's what

436
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,400
john told them to do this is just to

437
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:48,799
show you how honest the person john is

438
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:51,440
and was all right at the end

439
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,760
um and then and then after john's arrest

440
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:57,919
they went back to zabal's house looking

441
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,559
for a radium and god knows what else

442
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:02,160
because they oh okay

443
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,360
so they had a search warrant for his

444
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,360
house too then right they got a search

445
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,200
board for his house because they said

446
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:09,520
they claimed that he supplied radium to

447
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:10,400
john

448
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,360
right

449
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,280
he was completely flabbergasted he knew

450
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,360
nothing about this they tore his house

451
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,520
apart all they found was a broken

452
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,400
handgun and a working handgun

453
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,640
neither of which had been fired

454
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,080
and um

455
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,080
he couldn't account for them so they

456
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:27,679
made him a plea deal they cut him a

457
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,360
fleet there we will charge you with

458
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,559
conspiracy we charge you with radium

459
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,960
we won't charge you for the fireworks

460
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:37,120
i'd rather we charge you for the guns

461
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:39,039
but you have to plead guilty to the

462
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,720
fireworks and take whatever sentence

463
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,600
they give you his lawyer apparently said

464
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,720
okay

465
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,640
so they dropped the conspiracy they

466
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,720
dropped the radium they dropped the

467
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:49,919
handgun

468
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,039
charge and and he pled guilty only to uh

469
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,160
like the lowest level uh it's either the

470
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,400
highest level misdemeanor or the lowest

471
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,120
level felony paid a fine and spent a

472
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,400
year in jail so there you have it okay

473
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,160
they needed to yeah they had to expand

474
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,080
the conspiracy because conspiracy

475
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:11,120
between two people inside of a private

476
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,160
home

477
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:14,720
when no search warrant or you know

478
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,080
wiretap warrant existed is uh you know i

479
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,840
mean

480
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,760
you know john could have very easily

481
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:23,200
called their bluff even though it was

482
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:26,640
politically motivated he should have

483
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,880
she should have right exactly but you

484
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,760
know

485
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:31,679
john should have done but he didn't do

486
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,160
them unfortunately but uh joe could you

487
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:36,160
tell us what john said because you spoke

488
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,630
uh we have a good

489
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,559
going uh attorney

490
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,640
uh

491
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,559
repeat it

492
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:50,960
we have good news concerning the

493
00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:52,720
attorney situation

494
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,160
you haven't

495
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,679
somebody that john knows

496
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,280
spoke to already

497
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,840
john advised me to contact the gentleman

498
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,760
tomorrow morning i don't want to mention

499
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,400
his name it's a it's a it's a powerful

500
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,480
hard-hitting attorney i'm going to make

501
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,559
some kind of arrangements with him and

502
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,120
and act as john's power of attorney to

503
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,520
hire him as a legal attorney

504
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:17,039
in john's case

505
00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:24,789
you're getting broken up again joe

506
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,430
you i lost him you faded out

507
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,080
well the the question we all have is is

508
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,480
robert reno off the is this mean that

509
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,240
robert reno was off the case which we

510
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:36,400
would assume it does the second question

511
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,360
would be

512
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,679
is this a new attorney going to charge

513
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,000
john an arm and a leg

514
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,360
will he come on the show and talk to us

515
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:46,960
well that would be the third question

516
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,679
yes yeah have him come on here after he

517
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,280
looks at the case if he's going to take

518
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:53,360
it

519
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,320
yeah

520
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,799
it's great it'd be absolutely great

521
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,720
we had we have robert reno on the show

522
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,720
once but we've never been able to get

523
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,799
back again yeah

524
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,840
and i i wasn't all that impressed

525
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:07,600
okay

526
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,760
wasn't impressive in fact what was less

527
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,400
impressive is how he performed and of

528
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,720
course you know it's easy for somebody

529
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,520
to

530
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,080
uh take money and and go through the

531
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:23,679
motions and not do a real job this job

532
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,840
requires somebody with a lot of grit

533
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,679
and not somebody who's just a paper

534
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,640
pusher

535
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,080
uh that will

536
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,039
kiss the ass of the court system uh so

537
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,880
this is what what is needed and this

538
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,640
would be the next question

539
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
is this attorney

540
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:42,960
uh a real person or is he just somebody

541
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:49,510
first time i mean wasn't it wasn't it

542
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,559
robert reno who did not show up for uh

543
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,320
for one of the court

544
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:56,960
uh things or

545
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:00,640
is in the last uh the last uh time that

546
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,520
uh the john was in court roberino was

547
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,640
either late

548
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,799
i don't know if he could show up but he

549
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,960
certainly acquiesced

550
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,720
and there were things about the case

551
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,720
that he didn't even know

552
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,240
that became apparent

553
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,159
on several questions when we were

554
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,440
talking to him and he was not aware

555
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,159
and joe said that he's been uh been

556
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,039
billed constantly by by reno uh really

557
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,120
well that's what attorneys do

558
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,280
that's what attorneys do yeah

559
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,520
you know i'm sorry i i know that there

560
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,679
may be some attorneys listening but it

561
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,559
is a very vulturous profession

562
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,559
and if you've got the change

563
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,480
i mean you can you can fight hell you

564
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,400
can fight murder and get away with if

565
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:45,520
you've got enough bucks behind you

566
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:53,510
i'm serious man i i'm just amazed at

567
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,600
the uh at the uh judicial system in uh

568
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,760
in that county suffolk county they've

569
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,960
been in the news a lot by the way i

570
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,159
don't know if you guys know that or not

571
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,559
but there's last couple of weeks suffolk

572
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,159
county new york's been in the news

573
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,799
because uh their intel unit is trying to

574
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,400
get a handle

575
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,440
uh on the ms-13 game

576
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:15,600
i'm not tell us about it i i don't know

577
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,710
well

578
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,520
just to give you uh any any any any dirt

579
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,039
we could we can throw out suspects

580
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,600
county and that whole system absolutely

581
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:30,000
please well and hey you know before i

582
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,840
before i go down that road let me say i

583
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,440
i truly believe that there are good

584
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,080
honest cops and good honest da's in

585
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,520
suffolk county

586
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,400
okay

587
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:40,400
but i think there is

588
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,159
and probably has been for some time

589
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,159
corruption at a certain level and i can

590
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:48,159
tell you from being in 31 years most

591
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,120
cities

592
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,799
police departments da's have

593
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,799
at some point time has corruption go on

594
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,720
within their organization

595
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,559
the key is does it get rooted out and

596
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,520
people prosecuted for it and i can say

597
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,200
that in the instances in which i was

598
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,880
involved and they were they were held

599
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,480
accountable

600
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,480
whereas in suffolk county it doesn't

601
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,080
seem to be the case

602
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,159
but this ms-13 gang is a um is a i dealt

603
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,520
with them when i was on the street and

604
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,799
they're they're a nasty group um the

605
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,640
bloods in the crypts i mean no they they

606
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,400
were made famous by the press are

607
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,960
nothing compared to these boys and girls

608
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,080
they are

609
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,400
they will kill you and

610
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,480
just for the pure pleasure of it that it

611
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,600
doesn't have any purpose

612
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,760
one of the initiation rights is that uh

613
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,279
you want to be in the ms-13 you just

614
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,400
drive down the street and pick out a

615
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,159
target and kill them

616
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,840
it says here

617
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,000
excuse me the ms-13 gang is linked to a

618
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,240
startling 38 percent of all the

619
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:48,400
homicides in normally placid suffolk

620
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,679
county over the last six months

621
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,159
yeah you have to excuse me because i got

622
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,400
humor but yeah that's the ones they know

623
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:57,679
about

624
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,120
45 murders in the county since uh

625
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,760
january 1st 2016

626
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,440
uh have been connected to the brutal

627
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
gang

628
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,240
testified the police commissioner

629
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,200
timothy ceni um he said they engaged in

630
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,120
selling drugs stealing and extortion but

631
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,559
unlike other gangs

632
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:16,880
motivation isn't to make money but to

633
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:20,000
terrorize the community well

634
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,440
let me let me interject something and

635
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,279
this is you know i i've been out of the

636
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,679
business since 2007 but we were getting

637
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:27,279
intel reports

638
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,880
on the uh ms-13 gang in the denver metro

639
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,679
area and what they were doing uh is that

640
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,320
they were creating this kind of havoc

641
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,840
and they're essentially right they

642
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,440
weren't trying to make money at that

643
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,679
point what they were doing is telling

644
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,200
the bloods and the crips and all the

645
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,200
other piss ant gangs that we had that

646
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,799
they weren't the big dogs on the block

647
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,760
that the ms-13 was then they would move

648
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,279
in and take over

649
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,919
um uh operations from maybe the bloods

650
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,799
and the crips and you know the one of we

651
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,080
had the uh

652
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,520
something something white boys i can't

653
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,200
remember what they were but they were

654
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,039
another i mean there was all kinds of

655
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,360
gangs going on but the the purpose of

656
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,640
the ms-13 is come into a a neighborhood

657
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,480
and be as bloody and brutal as you could

658
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,000
possibly be demonstrating that you are

659
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
you know the apex predator in the

660
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,440
neighborhood well this is very

661
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,960
interesting because it says here that

662
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,039
president trump and attorney general

663
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,080
sessions have made stamping out ms-13 a

664
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,480
priority and it says that these are are

665
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,000
primarily

666
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,400
young teenagers who cross the board

667
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,840
illegally and don't have a parental uh

668
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,320
figure there and they get grabbed up and

669
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,240
they become part of these gangs which

670
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:40,799
tells us that the answer to donald

671
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,159
trump's uh crackdown on immigration and

672
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,799
i'm not making a judgment on it is for

673
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,080
them to

674
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,200
uh wield violence and fear

675
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,000
and get acceptance that way

676
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,880
uh i didn't know about this game at all

677
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,880
and i i live not in suffolk county but

678
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,720
in the next county over

679
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,480
um

680
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,559
and it seems to take a lot of place at

681
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,990
well i think most of your recruitment

682
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,640
for all your gangs um

683
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,039
go to that age bracket because they're

684
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:16,880
not only the most impressionable but

685
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,400
most of that

686
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,720
in the inner cities in the barrios if

687
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,279
you will uh

688
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,279
they they are the ones committing the

689
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,200
vandalism

690
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,480
you know pity s crimes so they would be

691
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,240
they would be attracted

692
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,960
and recruited by by the by a group like

693
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,120
the ms-13

694
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,480
we have uh

695
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,000
well

696
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,760
oh i'm sorry go ahead

697
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,120
i was going to say i've been looking it

698
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:44,640
up myself here too

699
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,000
uh the albuquerque journal and koat

700
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,240
which is a prominent tv news station

701
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,919
here in albuquerque

702
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,720
has been reporting on the ms-13 gang

703
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,799
moving into new mexico and albuquerque

704
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,960
and taking over here as well

705
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,360
so they seem to be

706
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,919
um going after both sides of the country

707
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,720
at the same time

708
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,799
well they're easily identified i'm i'm

709
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:10,320
i'm on google right now with these

710
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,600
images and both these guys are are

711
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,480
tatted uh tattooed head to go i mean the

712
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,640
phases

713
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,640
very easy very easy to recognize we've

714
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,480
got a few characters going around the

715
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,240
community that i live in

716
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,399
that are uh have taps

717
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:28,799
uh all over their face so yeah

718
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,430
uh yeah so actually um in continuous of

719
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,799
what uh

720
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,480
i'm glad uh

721
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,840
peter took it over for me there because

722
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,360
i was trying to get my connection back

723
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,840
up here um with my wi-fi

724
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,679
and um

725
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,679
you know for those who

726
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,600
wanted me to finish where i dropped off

727
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,120
there um

728
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,480
that um

729
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,360
the the biggest aspect of the john 4

730
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,880
case

731
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,600
is that as a ufo investigator he walked

732
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,440
into something

733
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:08,480
that was the very first time you had a

734
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,919
ufo crash as one controversial issue

735
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,320
colliding with the toxic dumping that

736
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,000
peter moon was mentioned before as the

737
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:18,080
other controversial issue

738
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:22,000
and this set off a firestorm of lunacy

739
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,200
and

740
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,120
um deception

741
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,799
in the suffolk county politics with the

742
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,240
politicians there

743
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,120
uh because they were hell bent on

744
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,440
um covering up the toxic waste issue

745
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,200
which just so happened to be

746
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,520
where the damn ufo crashed

747
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,159
so now you've got people tromping and

748
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,240
treading all over the area whether it be

749
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,799
the police or the firefighters

750
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,120
fighting fighting the crash fire or you

751
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
know whoever all of a sudden there were

752
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,399
all these loose ends

753
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,880
that blew up in the face of suffolk

754
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,559
county politics

755
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:56,320
because of course who the hell thinks

756
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,360
that

757
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,679
a ufo is going to crash in your backyard

758
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,399
and expose your toxic dumping

759
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,080
and this is where the two ended up

760
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,760
colliding with each other for the first

761
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,399
time ever an environmental issue and a

762
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,960
paranormal issue

763
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:12,080
and one

764
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,880
you know

765
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,720
one was

766
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,320
one side of the issue was going to be

767
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,200
used

768
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,120
to justify making the other side of the

769
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,279
issue look insane

770
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,799
so naturally john ford

771
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,640
is becomes the target of a sting

772
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,399
operation because he kept pushing the

773
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,440
issue of exploring strictly the ufo site

774
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,440
the politicians of suffolk county had no

775
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,640
idea

776
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,760
what files he and his researchers had

777
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,720
for

778
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,440
the legitimate corporation known as the

779
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,679
long island ufo network which is totally

780
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,520
separate from john ford himself and had

781
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,039
nothing to do with him

782
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,240
okay

783
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,200
and they had no idea

784
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,520
what kind of stuff he had found whether

785
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,080
he found it or not they couldn't be sure

786
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:58,320
until they came up with some kind of

787
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:02,080
trumped-up sting operation to illegally

788
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,679
by force get into his tome and basically

789
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,720
uh uh rake over those files and

790
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,799
illegally take them out of his home out

791
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,240
of his office

792
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,799
and uh basically uh keep them for

793
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,799
themselves for many years

794
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,480
before anything was even thought of

795
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:20,640
being returned

796
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,919
and go through those files well by now

797
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,880
um

798
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,480
you know this man's life has been

799
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:28,880
destroyed

800
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,520
he's in extremely poor health i mean

801
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,279
truthfully the man is like two inches

802
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:34,880
from death because

803
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,039
of the uh poor uh the the lousy uh

804
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,760
uh situation he has with his back and

805
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,640
the couple about with uh uh trying to

806
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,399
deal with it's time for optimum's red

807
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,559
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808
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,720
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809
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810
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,360
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811
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,120
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812
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,559
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813
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:01,120
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814
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,080
um

815
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,360
and getting past all this and no proper

816
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,120
medical help whatsoever

817
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,320
uh he is in a facility where

818
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,320
i i get it you know he's surrounded by

819
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,200
people who um aren't exactly banking on

820
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,279
a future in the first place

821
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,360
but this man never should have been put

822
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,240
in the middle of uh psychotic killers i

823
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,240
mean you're basically taking

824
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,799
uh mr rogers and putting him in a cell

825
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,640
next to hannibal the vector that's the

826
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,360
situation that john ford is in

827
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,399
okay

828
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,399
um and all the

829
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,399
all the poor medical

830
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,399
um neglection

831
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,559
medical abuse

832
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,640
he hasn't received any medical help

833
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,960
whatsoever for his back

834
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,200
um in the situation that it's in

835
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,960
and he's reached a critical point late

836
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,320
in life now

837
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,480
in his 60s

838
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,799
where he's he's close to losing the

839
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,600
ability to walk all together

840
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,120
so you know

841
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,440
this is what has happened and nobody

842
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,679
nobody wants to uh everybody's trying to

843
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,120
save face

844
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,960
don't nobody wants to come up to the

845
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,640
plate and admit to what they did wrong

846
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
to this man so they're hoping that he

847
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,440
rots and dies

848
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,279
in a padded cell which is what i've been

849
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,919
saying all along the strategy has always

850
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,519
been hurry up and die

851
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,440
and oh what yeah still here

852
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,840
hurry up and die

853
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,840
get out of get out of our hair so we

854
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,440
don't have a multi-billion dollar

855
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,000
lawsuit we got the uh

856
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,760
suffix county in the state of new

857
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,519
zealand well they've effectively got the

858
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,679
got him out of their hair they have him

859
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,880
confined and locked up and they control

860
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,919
the house

861
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,159
they control those booths and everything

862
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,240
go ahead they have us in their hair and

863
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,480
that that's the purpose of this show is

864
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:48,159
people thorn in their side that doesn't

865
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,200
go away

866
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,720
exactly

867
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,399
so that's uh that's the long and the

868
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,960
short of it um as far as what happened

869
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,840
with the

870
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,399
um the issue that uh caused him to end

871
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,480
up in jail in the first place so

872
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,360
um

873
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,960
this uh

874
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,880
what joe was talking about before sounds

875
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,480
promising with

876
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,960
getting a uh attorney in there that

877
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,639
knows what the hell they're doing so i'm

878
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,200
looking forward to this

879
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,919
go back with joe back with us

880
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:18,320
joseph we lost joseph he's not back with

881
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,200
us

882
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,869
we don't know anything about this

883
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,919
attorney he can't say his name he said

884
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,639
uh just that john and you know our our

885
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,000
concern is

886
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,560
is he charging him an arm and a leg

887
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,440
that's the first thing and uh

888
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:37,919
does he have any qualifications

889
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,800
or capacity to actually do something

890
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,320
well we're going to have to find out

891
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,480
next month or within the next few weeks

892
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,200
when uh when when joe

893
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,280
was able to give us more information but

894
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,960
i understand why he wouldn't want to

895
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,079
broadcast

896
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:54,399
this information on the air so but you

897
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,470
well i i definitely would like to have

898
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:01,359
the

899
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,240
i think it's uh imperative that's what i

900
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,720
didn't understand about uh was it

901
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,359
reno was that was his name yeah robert

902
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:16,160
robert reno yeah but i mean he had a

903
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,359
forum

904
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,920
that he could take his client to and

905
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,040
talk to

906
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,040
literally the world

907
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,760
about uh his client's case there's

908
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,920
nothing that stops him from doing that

909
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,800
and it would have we could have you know

910
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,720
asked him pertinent questions as to

911
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,320
procedures and what steps that he's

912
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,440
taking in order to secure

913
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,440
you know the release of john ford and he

914
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,640
didn't he didn't

915
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,440
he didn't grab that and i

916
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,760
why wouldn't you i mean it wouldn't cost

917
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,839
anything except his time and i

918
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,280
understand attorneys that's what they

919
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,119
charge you on but he could have gave

920
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,119
that back to his client

921
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,880
said hey i'll come on for 20 minutes 30

922
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
minutes or whatever and tell you what's

923
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,920
going on blah blah we yeah he just

924
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,640
doesn't

925
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,200
generate support for his client he just

926
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,160
didn't seem like he was very smart

927
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,320
and and that's the one thing is with i

928
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,320
mean there are smart attorneys

929
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,800
but many of them just you know

930
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,480
get themselves into a position where

931
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,320
they can oh yeah man they put the fox in

932
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,839
charge of the chicken house man they're

933
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,079
smart attorneys they write dilute rules

934
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,280
they get to interpret them and they get

935
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
to enforce them can't get any better

936
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,560
than that well what i'm saying is

937
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,480
they're just milking a system it's not

938
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,880
really it's it's taking advantage it's

939
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,920
not uh it's not a

940
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,520
you know it's not a very developed

941
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,079
individual it doesn't it's not it's not

942
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,440
a professional

943
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,280
advocacy

944
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,040
it's exactly it's just milking the

945
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,280
system for the money that it can get on

946
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,760
well that is the nature of the beast and

947
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:45,920
and unfortunately

948
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,040
uh you know john doesn't have the uh

949
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:50,960
dinero to

950
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,760
really get somebody that has um ambition

951
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,599
well i don't know if it takes you know

952
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,520
we just got to find you know the right

953
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,480
person

954
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,320
and uh

955
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:04,160
it's uh

956
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,670
yeah also what we would always like to

957
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,440
put out there since uh since we're

958
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:15,760
broadcasting to a pretty wide audience

959
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,720
um

960
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,960
that will go into podcasts and to be

961
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,680
replayed if there is a producer out

962
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,480
there

963
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,480
who wants a subject matter this would be

964
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,320
an excellent subject

965
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:28,640
to do a documentary on i mean there's

966
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,520
been some most definite yeah definitely

967
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,520
several people that have tried over the

968
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,920
years but they generally just fall down

969
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,880
and

970
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:38,560
this thing doesn't

971
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,160
doesn't have a solid hour uh or hour and

972
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,640
a half documentary uh that could be put

973
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,760
out there

974
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:47,920
uh that would even have a larger

975
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,599
audience than what this regulation does

976
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:54,000
so it's an open invitation if you if you

977
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,800
uh

978
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,200
if you're a producer or director or you

979
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,599
want a subject matter and something that

980
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:00,480
uh

981
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,599
can it get in touch with us here at irn

982
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:06,800
or

983
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,720
josephardo yeah who is uh

984
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,150
yeah i would love to see a

985
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,880
tv magazine like 60 minutes or 2020 or

986
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,800
something like that to do a

987
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,599
to do a special on the john ford case

988
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,440
because it really does

989
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,119
exemplify

990
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:29,839
um he who has the power can make it work

991
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,960
for them and right

992
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,640
it has so many different dimensions it's

993
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,440
just not about oh i am oh it's not just

994
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,599
and it's not just a ufo i mean that's

995
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,000
that is uh a lead-in obviously because

996
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,240
that that's what got john in hot water

997
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,040
but there are uh i think just as

998
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,960
important aspects

999
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,640
and one of them is a constitutional

1000
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,079
issue i've said it before and i'll say

1001
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,160
it again if it can happen to john ford

1002
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,760
it can happen to anybody that's

1003
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,520
listening to my voice

1004
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,760
oh my god are you right

1005
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,800
are you okay and and and that's

1006
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,320
yeah and and and so we

1007
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,359
to the listeners and those at chat have

1008
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,720
a dog

1009
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,000
in this fight

1010
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,960
and and therefore um that's the reason

1011
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:17,119
why it's important to be able to have a

1012
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,960
platform and a modem to uh to talk about

1013
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
it and people can listen in

1014
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,040
and you know obviously we all know that

1015
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,800
the more that listen in

1016
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,640
the more some more are going to start

1017
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,240
asking questions and the more and the

1018
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,760
louder the squeaky wheel gets the grease

1019
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,880
yes

1020
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:37,280
did you guys lose me

1021
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:38,400
yes we did

1022
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,030
yeah i'm here i i was talking and all of

1023
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,160
a sudden active jamming is on all the rf

1024
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,240
meters were pinned

1025
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,920
so i don't know if you can hear me now

1026
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,880
but i'm here i've been here

1027
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,800
we can hear you now and

1028
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,400
sorry about you dropping out that's

1029
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,440
that's

1030
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,920
no it's coming from it's coming from

1031
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,920
here it happened

1032
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,040
the show

1033
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,359
a different show

1034
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,960
for a different station as a matter of

1035
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,760
fact

1036
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,119
and um there's active jamming going on

1037
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:16,480
from this end

1038
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,320
so um it's just awful you know

1039
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,119
guys um we have a someone in the chat

1040
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,160
room here tonight who has been a huge

1041
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,280
supporter and proponent um

1042
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,760
with uh the john 4 case uh alfred

1043
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,920
lemberg is in the chat room tonight

1044
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,760
and it's good to see you there alfred

1045
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,599
he's got a question in here has anyone

1046
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,000
contacted the aclu

1047
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,520
um

1048
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,599
and at this point

1049
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,240
yes and what uh what came out of that

1050
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,640
because people would like no reply

1051
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,240
no reply to two letters several emails

1052
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,880
and maybe a dozen phone calls over the

1053
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,800
last year and a half

1054
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,640
uh no reply

1055
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,079
okay

1056
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,720
john hated the aclu

1057
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,400
and i think initially would have

1058
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,920
detested that uh alliance although

1059
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,800
uh

1060
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,480
i don't know if that has anything to do

1061
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,280
with why they would not respond

1062
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,240
i think that the aclu is very much a

1063
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,319
politically controlled

1064
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,119
organization

1065
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,160
and i'd have to agree with you on that

1066
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,920
absolutely

1067
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,960
um

1068
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,280
they but we do have a heavy hitter i i

1069
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,280
was sending texts over i didn't know if

1070
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,280
you could see it or not but

1071
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,119
it's someone that was mentioned on on

1072
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,640
the uh on the show on previous shows

1073
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:40,800
and uh we just have to straighten things

1074
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,240
out get get every details worked out by

1075
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,079
the next show i'll be able to tell you

1076
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,640
guys on the air who it is and what's

1077
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,839
being done

1078
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,400
and uh we're looking at john getting out

1079
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,480
very soon i hope

1080
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,319
uh his uh

1081
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,480
three as far as his health i was

1082
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,640
listening in

1083
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:02,560
as far as his health is concerned

1084
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:06,160
they did his cancer screening on him

1085
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,000
and um uh again for you know

1086
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,880
he's fine as far as that's concerned

1087
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,680
uh

1088
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,440
like isn't really bothering him that

1089
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:17,839
much but he does turn i believe either

1090
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,960
69 or 70 this this august

1091
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,440
so we really wish him the best and he's

1092
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,800
hanging in there

1093
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:27,599
he outlived the people that set him up

1094
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,930
most of them actually all of them and

1095
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,000
[Music]

1096
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,079
now he just has to come back and go

1097
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,359
after

1098
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,040
the county of suffolk the state of new

1099
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,440
york the hospital and a few

1100
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,280
estates of

1101
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,760
people who are directly involved in this

1102
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,560
okay um joe you got cut off what else uh

1103
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,319
can you tell us what else john said i

1104
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,920
mean you kind of told us a little bit

1105
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,640
there is did he say anything else

1106
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:55,359
in your talk

1107
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,599
not not uh not specifically just um just

1108
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,960
in general the specifics were details of

1109
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,240
the attorney

1110
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,240
and uh

1111
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:09,440
i can't really get into it so

1112
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,359
hey joe i will protect tomorrow morning

1113
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,079
hey is there any way that we could uh

1114
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,480
get john ford on the phone on the show

1115
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,760
so we so we can have him on

1116
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,880
not live if we did it earlier and

1117
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,119
recorded it he's only allowed 20 minutes

1118
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,790
but he did agree to come on the show any

1119
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,920
time

1120
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,599
hey i'm jay i think we ought to we ought

1121
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,119
to do that i think we ought to do a

1122
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:38,640
20-minute segment with him and then we

1123
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:44,790
we can definitely arrange that in order

1124
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,839
to pull something like that off um

1125
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,440
i've done it with him in the past he's

1126
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,160
also done it on um

1127
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,960
future future theater radio with nancy

1128
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,119
and bill burns but

1129
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,440
it's a tug of war

1130
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,200
uh going back and forth because he's

1131
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,839
only you know allowed so many minutes on

1132
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,359
the phone there

1133
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,200
and then the way it works is that he's

1134
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,280
got to hang up if there's somebody else

1135
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,560
who needs the phone he's got to give

1136
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,119
them a chance to talk if not he can get

1137
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,040
back on the phone for another 10 or 15

1138
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,920
minutes or 20 minutes whatever it is so

1139
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,680
that's true it's gonna it's gonna have

1140
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,640
to be

1141
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,440
the call he has to initiate the call

1142
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,960
so one of us

1143
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,960
two of us three of us have to be

1144
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,960
prepared to take his call

1145
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,119
reported from a uh

1146
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,560
um

1147
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,000
you know a

1148
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:37,680
a regular landline over to uh skype

1149
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,960
so it can it can be a big deal john has

1150
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,480
called me the past

1151
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,599
usually on a sunday or set usually on a

1152
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,560
sunday

1153
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,680
afternoon

1154
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,400
uh after lunch and it was

1155
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,359
always uh the maximum amount of time he

1156
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,599
was never interrupted

1157
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,720
uh

1158
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:58,480
you know he got to talk for his 20

1159
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,790
it can be done but uh it also means that

1160
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,040
if three or four of us are

1161
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,920
are committed to it we for an hour show

1162
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,079
or our hour-and-a-half show we have to

1163
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,000
commit probably

1164
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,880
twice that at least at least three hours

1165
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,520
to be around in case what we do is we

1166
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,839
have one person do the interview and we

1167
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,240
record it and then play it on this show

1168
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,920
start off with the recording and then we

1169
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,000
talk about it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

1170
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,319
absolutely it's recorded but

1171
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,119
it would always be good to have uh

1172
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,319
two or three of us

1173
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,400
well if we only got 20 minutes i agree i

1174
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,079
i think we ought to have one person do

1175
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,680
it but all we got is 20 minutes i think

1176
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,520
we can get probably more

1177
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:43,760
with instead of you know a panel because

1178
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,510
somebody will do you know a short story

1179
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,400
poll we'll pick somebody and um i'll

1180
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,319
speak with him tomorrow morning about it

1181
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:57,760
he's calling me tomorrow morning

1182
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,790
before his birthday in august absolutely

1183
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,800
that would be great

1184
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,319
yeah we'll just have to plan it for

1185
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,000
earlier in a day

1186
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,720
to get it done with him and give him a

1187
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,480
chance you know it's going to have to be

1188
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:17,040
touch and go on that interview because

1189
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,720
uh see when i did it i had the luxury of

1190
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,960
sitting there all day long

1191
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,520
with a pre-recorded podcast that i would

1192
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,319
put together and upload later on and i

1193
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,720
believe this is the way bill and nancy

1194
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,200
burns had to do it as well

1195
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,240
so you know it's it brings up another

1196
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,760
point uh rick bill and nancy burns

1197
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,560
uh

1198
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,440
they

1199
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,680
never did the article uh the magazine

1200
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,119
that they were going to feature him and

1201
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,599
they never did that was one of the most

1202
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,040
important stories they could have ever

1203
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,560
done in the ufo field they never did it

1204
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,800
i know and it just kept getting kicked

1205
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,720
off and kicked off and

1206
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,000
i'm not sure

1207
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,960
yeah you know why it got uh i can tell

1208
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,240
you why

1209
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,480
wyatt most likely did and this has to do

1210
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,520
with uh

1211
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,680
the many uh shows douglas dietrich has

1212
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,800
done concerning bill burns uh linking

1213
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,560
him to aquino

1214
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,920
michael aquino

1215
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,839
and and

1216
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:18,720
the

1217
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,560
uh having right

1218
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,880
false endorsement from senator strom

1219
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,680
thurman he was actually not endorsing

1220
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,880
the book at all

1221
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,520
and it was a fraudulent endorsement and

1222
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,079
this caused them to reprint the book

1223
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,640
uh almost in like 48 hours

1224
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,040
which was a tremendous amount of money

1225
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:40,720
and

1226
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,560
of course the day after roswell

1227
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,520
according to douglas dietrich was all a

1228
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,640
uh

1229
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,680
arranged

1230
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,079
uh disinformation campaign

1231
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,319
on what was really going on at roswell

1232
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,119
which which had to do with japanese

1233
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,920
uh try the government trying to emulate

1234
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,680
japanese uh

1235
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,720
balloons

1236
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,240
and firebirds

1237
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,560
and and of course uh

1238
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,800
this painted uh

1239
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,040
you know mr burns is a very

1240
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,920
uh questionable character uh who he had

1241
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:14,240
purchased the ufo magazine

1242
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,280
uh

1243
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,400
very you know personable to talk to

1244
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:19,839
but

1245
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,880
why would he be so shy

1246
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,240
to uh take the biggest case

1247
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,359
in

1248
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,119
biggest case

1249
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
uh there's nothing bigger and and you

1250
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,040
know rick that people have have turned

1251
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,839
their back on people yeah definitely

1252
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,319
and that's more mindset but it's like

1253
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,800
what what is the resistance to this

1254
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,079
uh

1255
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,720
old mufon turned that back on john let's

1256
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:48,880
face it all right

1257
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,839
the hierarchy move on

1258
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,079
yes and it just tells you what what you

1259
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,319
know who the people work for they're

1260
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,559
they're not you know

1261
00:49:01,589 --> 00:49:00,720
working for truth justice and the

1262
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,599
so-called

1263
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,760
do we do we know the reason why mufon

1264
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,000
turned their back

1265
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,520
uh their excuses are pretty shallow one

1266
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,599
would be well we're a scientific

1267
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,359
research organization we're not going to

1268
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,440
take sides and get politically involved

1269
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,400
and yet

1270
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,000
everything about mufon has been

1271
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,040
political since day one

1272
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,440
including the uh sexist and racist

1273
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,839
attitudes so you know

1274
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,720
um

1275
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,440
it's you know it amazes me how they uh

1276
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,480
they

1277
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,440
battles

1278
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040
and i think also too a lot of it comes

1279
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,200
from and i think joe and peter can

1280
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:39,440
probably reaffirm this

1281
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,359
a lot of the attitude from mufon is

1282
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:45,599
they are a very elitist

1283
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,480
uh

1284
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,800
white masonic organization

1285
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,800
if you don't fit into their paradigm if

1286
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,880
you don't do what they say if you stand

1287
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,240
up to them

1288
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,640
then you're on the [\h__\h] under the stick

1289
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,480
for the rest of your life

1290
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,000
they will lambaste you they will

1291
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,000
ostracize you they will close ranks

1292
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,440
against you

1293
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,720
and this centers around some crap that

1294
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,599
mufon tried to pull at the time of the

1295
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,480
south haven park crash

1296
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,960
and mufon tried to move in

1297
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,200
and bully their way in and say we want

1298
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,520
all your files from lufon

1299
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,359
and john was like no screw off we've

1300
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,720
given uh priority to people's privacy

1301
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,240
we've promised them that we're not going

1302
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:28,079
to expose their names what guarantee do

1303
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,599
i have from you

1304
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,319
and you know they're like absolutely

1305
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,480
right well this sort of explains how

1306
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,240
they got the files i mean if you wanted

1307
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,280
to extend it and extrapolate the suffolk

1308
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,119
county got the files

1309
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,760
so here yeah now you're linking mufon to

1310
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:46,319
suffolk county only by investigation

1311
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,200
uh

1312
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,119
and you know what what is the influence

1313
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,640
there of course they want the easy way

1314
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,880
to get the files mufon would just get

1315
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,280
them for investigatory purposes and then

1316
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,280
hand them over to safekeeping

1317
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,880
uh whether it be

1318
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,280
you know you would seem that the us army

1319
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,440
uh would uh

1320
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,920
would be the safest place to keep those

1321
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,040
documents

1322
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,839
if you uh were a government you'd want

1323
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:11,520
the army to keep them because you would

1324
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,880
have uh an arsenal uh ostensibly to

1325
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,040
protect them

1326
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,119
so right this uh

1327
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,000
so this suggests that that mufon is an

1328
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,200
extension of the us army in some way or

1329
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,200
army intelligence would be and you know

1330
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,760
masonic ties into the army as well you

1331
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,559
mentioned the freemasons so we go back

1332
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,599
to this silly boys club

1333
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,960
all right john

1334
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,280
john always swore all of his

1335
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,160
investigative teams to sweet secrecy we

1336
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,240
could only discuss it with him and with

1337
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,280
our with our team and and not outside of

1338
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,800
you know

1339
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,800
not outside of his presence or anything

1340
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,599
else

1341
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,240
so you know he took confidentiality very

1342
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,240
seriously because some of the people we

1343
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,839
dealt with had a lot to lose by

1344
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,680
reporting the ufo

1345
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,319
and um you know and it was also a

1346
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,520
legitimate

1347
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,440
uh not-for-profit organization

1348
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,839
registered in the state of new york so

1349
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:10,000
that made john basically this perfect

1350
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,359
scapegoat

1351
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,240
for targeting as a you know

1352
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,400
if you want to take your

1353
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,720
people's attention off something

1354
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,720
you wanted to take people's attention

1355
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,440
off of toxic dumping oh this guy wants

1356
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:25,040
to kill people with radium in their

1357
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,160
toothpaste

1358
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,240
what better person than somebody that

1359
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,559
investigates ufos and doesn't talk about

1360
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,400
it

1361
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:34,079
right exactly

1362
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,359
so

1363
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,599
but that's it that was the uh that was

1364
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:40,079
the rift right there between mufon and

1365
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,200
lufan

1366
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,839
because john you know told him no

1367
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:45,440
you can't have this

1368
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,750
uh

1369
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,400
long before that but but yes that go

1370
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,000
ahead yeah

1371
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,559
and so at that point

1372
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,079
um they closed ranks against john

1373
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,000
and when he got into trouble like this

1374
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,920
all they did was basically laugh their

1375
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,280
ass off and

1376
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,440
say good riddance

1377
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,640
and that's what came out of that

1378
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,480
well this shouldn't denigrate the

1379
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,200
investigators the mufon investigators on

1380
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,720
the ground local groups and so forth the

1381
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,520
local you know down to earth guys

1382
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,359
we're talking about the upper echelon

1383
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,640
mufon

1384
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,720
uh yeah but

1385
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,440
then we could say your counters and uh

1386
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,040
and test equipment

1387
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,359
and we would we would swap you know

1388
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,920
basic information now and then

1389
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:39,440
but um

1390
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:51,349
yeah no i know that i get that i mean

1391
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,510
a neighborhood

1392
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,480
masonic organization okay

1393
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,960
uh the people in the local club

1394
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,960
uh they don't really do anything wrong

1395
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,319
in fact they wouldn't know their ass

1396
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:07,760
from a hole in the ground

1397
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:11,200
but um you know once they get tapped on

1398
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,559
the shoulder

1399
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,079
and they start climbing the ranks

1400
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:17,599
this is where you start running into

1401
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,910
yeah and did we lose everybody

1402
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,960
no you

1403
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,559
joe is the

1404
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,640
expert in communicator

1405
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,040
expert in communications who's

1406
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:34,960
the hardest to hear

1407
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:36,800
okay

1408
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:46,790
well here's an interesting question as

1409
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,800
uh as as john and lufon were having

1410
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,440
a head-to-head problem where john was

1411
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,720
not giving them

1412
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,240
the files

1413
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,760
that they demanded

1414
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,720
was mufon taking any money from john or

1415
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,079
from lufon

1416
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,119
uh

1417
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:05,520
as far as do pain

1418
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,119
no no there was uh john formed the long

1419
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,960
island ufo network

1420
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:12,240
because

1421
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,200
uh

1422
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,680
you know mufon was always a very suspect

1423
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:17,040
organization

1424
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:18,800
in and of itself but was

1425
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:22,960
was was lufon a chapter of mufon no no

1426
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,240
no no totally separate oh

1427
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:28,240
okay

1428
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,670
i was going big accuse mufon of taking

1429
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,160
money from john and from members

1430
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,960
of that chapter and then when the when

1431
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,559
when john got into trouble or the [\h__\h]

1432
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,559
hits the fan that they were they were

1433
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,640
basically they take the money right and

1434
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,880
don't stand up so oh

1435
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,559
wrong here

1436
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,680
no the history of long island ufology uh

1437
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:56,240
into the 80s and 90s is there was a man

1438
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,599
named bill nell

1439
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,720
who was uh had long island skywatch and

1440
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:07,109
and and he and john were rivals uh john

1441
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,319
actually

1442
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:10,160
i was just saying i was just talking

1443
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,280
about the history of ufology on

1444
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:15,520
long island with two rivals bill nell

1445
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,280
and john ford and john ford literally

1446
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,880
what

1447
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,200
no i'm sorry i i confused you with rick

1448
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,440
i apologize go ahead peter

1449
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,480
yes and and john ford ran bill now out

1450
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,720
of long island he said he spent about

1451
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,400
fifty thousand dollars

1452
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:34,400
uh suing him

1453
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,200
uh

1454
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,599
getting him off of long island where

1455
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,839
bill nell then went to florida bought a

1456
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,599
home which is protected

1457
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,480
uh in florida from any bankruptcy

1458
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,760
and uh

1459
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:47,839
and that's so john ford had now had

1460
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,480
territory of long island uh there was a

1461
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,040
mufon director don't remember his last

1462
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,559
name sal

1463
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,160
he worked for the company that preston

1464
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,880
nichols worked for uh sal was a was a

1465
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,880
nice guy he was uh

1466
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,760
uh but but mufon and long island really

1467
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,559
had no big presence it was pretty

1468
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,200
pretty small the big presence was bill

1469
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,359
nell and and john ford john ford

1470
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,359
eventually winning out through legal

1471
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,640
maneuvering

1472
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:15,920
um

1473
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,440
and bill now was a con artist too

1474
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:20,960
well yes

1475
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:23,680
the point is is that john became the big

1476
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,280
fish on long island for you ufo research

1477
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,079
as far as any organizations went and

1478
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,920
absolutely absolutely

1479
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,040
presence

1480
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,119
long island ufo network

1481
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:38,079
and it it caused a big rift with bill

1482
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:38,839
nell

1483
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:42,400
he

1484
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,359
book credited john ford and so that

1485
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,440
upset bill by the way

1486
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,720
um

1487
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,760
is is long island ufo still active is

1488
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,920
there still a team it's not active there

1489
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,720
is a team uh steve ivarone

1490
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,799
uh and tony west

1491
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,880
uh i don't know if they've ever appeared

1492
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,160
on the show i don't know if they want to

1493
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,870
they don't want it to

1494
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,160
yeah they weren't

1495
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,400
just also there are many others on long

1496
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,799
island and still belong to the loyal ufo

1497
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,480
network and there is a chapter in

1498
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,599
florida

1499
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,480
also

1500
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,720
but they were executives steve and tony

1501
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,799
were executives and uh

1502
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,720
they have x degree of

1503
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,799
you know inside information about the

1504
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,760
john ford case uh probably not too much

1505
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,400
that hasn't been brought up

1506
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,839
well steve steve was uh yeah steve was

1507
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,240
not tony tony was an investigator steve

1508
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,040
was uh was pretty much up there you know

1509
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,280
uh he was he was a

1510
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,440
he headed an investigative team

1511
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,880
as did i

1512
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:53,040
yeah

1513
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,680
local stuff we knew john very well uh

1514
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,839
yeah we both go over there together he

1515
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,640
only lives about three miles from me and

1516
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,119
i still speak with him you know

1517
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,160
about every week or so

1518
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,000
the only time uh

1519
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,720
that mufon had a prior

1520
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:15,680
um

1521
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,760
this may have been the same person uh

1522
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,280
peter was talking about but it was a

1523
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,680
salji and muso yeah so

1524
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,720
yeah and he was running a chapter out in

1525
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,079
suffolk county

1526
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,319
for a long time i mean he retired from

1527
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:32,079
it and handed it off to somebody else

1528
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,280
but

1529
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,359
um that's about the only presence the

1530
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:37,760
small presence you would find

1531
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:43,349
yeah it was a very token presence and it

1532
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,200
was amounted to nothing too significant

1533
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,839
they would have meetings

1534
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,440
that's about it

1535
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,319
meetings in a library like on thursday

1536
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,000
nights or something

1537
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,000
it was really a

1538
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,799
thing you know and they had a newsletter

1539
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:02,240
and uh

1540
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,720
the lufon members still go to the

1541
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,960
meetings and they still there's people

1542
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,520
still talking dirt about john

1543
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,920
you know putting him down and so forth

1544
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,240
about you know how how everything went

1545
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,839
wrong and uh

1546
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,599
they they just don't they don't even

1547
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,520
listen to this show they don't listen to

1548
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,440
any of the other podcasts

1549
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,440
that i've been on anyway

1550
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,559
about you guys but i mean i've been on

1551
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,040
with some pretty heavy hitters and

1552
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,839
and you know they just don't get it

1553
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,200
they don't get it

1554
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,680
mufon just does not understand that it

1555
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,680
can happen in them they can happen to

1556
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,760
any one of their investigators at any

1557
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:43,200
time

1558
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,559
okay

1559
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,960
well it's my understanding that certain

1560
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,280
members within that organization move on

1561
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,280
which by the way i am i'm a lifetime

1562
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,160
member but they interpreted john ford as

1563
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,880
a crackpot now whether or not

1564
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,920
they you know whether or not uh he is or

1565
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,079
he isn't the fact of the matter is that

1566
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,760
that that incident that long island

1567
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:08,319
crash made national news and he didn't

1568
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,240
make that up and i don't understand why

1569
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,960
mufon wouldn't investigate that

1570
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:14,799
well it's probably a

1571
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,599
may season gimbals type situation if

1572
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,680
a long island

1573
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,400
ufo network was not a sub chapter of

1574
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,400
lufon or there was no money

1575
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:26,400
exchanging cable uh

1576
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,760
on the table between the two

1577
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,920
organizations

1578
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,599
okay i you know if

1579
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,599
if macy's got into trouble and i'm

1580
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,240
gibbels and they came to me for help

1581
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,280
yeah i don't think right now uh

1582
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,359
it sounds like you have two competing

1583
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:44,160
organizations i'm not defending mufon

1584
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,520
but

1585
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,000
generally when there's money exchanging

1586
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,480
hands yeah if somebody's paying me if

1587
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,480
they're my client if they're a some

1588
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:55,520
chapter yeah i'll defend them absolutely

1589
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:00,230
as a capitalist

1590
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:04,160
daddy where do babies come from uh well

1591
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,839
uh honey mommy went to the store oh well

1592
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,000
you see um well there's a mommy and a

1593
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,839
daddy right right and see when they call

1594
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,000
geico uh they could save a bunch of

1595
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,319
money on car insurance oh really and

1596
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,240
that makes them happy yes that makes

1597
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:23,359
them very happy that's good yeah well

1598
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,640
i'm glad we could have this talk

1599
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,760
sunshine

1600
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,160
geico because saving 15 or more on car

1601
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,440
insurance is always a great answer i i i

1602
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,960
wouldn't just reach out

1603
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,520
especially if i was uh if i was in

1604
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,839
competition

1605
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,559
but there was no money to be made really

1606
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,599
john was running operating at a loss

1607
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,599
okay people paid their dues and they got

1608
01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:47,760
a newsletter once a month i don't know

1609
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,040
what you are

1610
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:51,200
saying hey joe i don't know of what

1611
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:54,880
group that doesn't even mufon operates

1612
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,760
at a loss there's no money to be made

1613
01:03:05,829 --> 01:02:58,960
in

1614
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,839
than the fact that you know one of these

1615
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,319
times it's going to be another roswell

1616
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,079
and i believe that

1617
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,680
i

1618
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,400
open up

1619
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,640
if they have open open book system where

1620
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,559
you can see penny for penny

1621
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,559
oh i know hey listen

1622
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:22,160
make no mistake about it they've got a

1623
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,280
credibility issue and unfortunately

1624
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,760
they haven't addressed it and and i put

1625
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,079
i that i put that on the on the on the

1626
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,240
board i i know some people and some

1627
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,720
investigators uh within the mufon

1628
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,240
organization and they're good they're

1629
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,680
good honest people they do good

1630
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,920
investigations they they

1631
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,440
they believe in the mission statement

1632
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,640
unfortunately at the hierarchy uh is the

1633
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,880
credibility issue that's where the where

1634
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:48,960
the stink is that's what i'm saying

1635
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,920
that's what i was saying before yeah

1636
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,920
and they haven't taken responsibility

1637
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,000
for it and

1638
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,960
unfortunately you know that

1639
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,480
until they do

1640
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,720
um you know that organization is going

1641
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:04,319
to be in trouble

1642
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,520
and they need to understand that

1643
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:09,280
that

1644
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,319
they have to be honest and up front and

1645
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:14,000
because of uh

1646
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:15,440
that stain

1647
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,960
they have to go the extra part they

1648
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,039
haven't done anything to correct a right

1649
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:22,000
to ship regarding that no and they never

1650
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,680
will because at the higher level of any

1651
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,440
of these organizations as rick was

1652
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:28,240
alluding to you have the the pre-masonic

1653
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:29,119
uh

1654
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:30,559
you know grip

1655
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,440
and and this uh will always

1656
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,160
act in the uh best interest of other

1657
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,480
freemason or other free masonic

1658
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,640
interests and this is a

1659
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,240
a control

1660
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,720
that is exerted upon one of the main

1661
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,319
controls of the freemasons being the

1662
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:48,559
mormon church but certainly not the only

1663
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:49,520
one

1664
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,440
so they have which is very highly uh

1665
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:55,359
you know populates the cia the mormon

1666
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,400
church

1667
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,079
so you have a

1668
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,400
tremendous amount of influence

1669
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,400
a tremendous amount i interrupt and say

1670
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,599
hi

1671
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,280
you already did but thank you

1672
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:06,960
marilyn hi

1673
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,319
hi sorry hey man hey marilyn how you

1674
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:11,440
doing there

1675
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:12,160
we

1676
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,480
forgot about the show tonight it's all

1677
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:18,079
our fault

1678
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,589
and actually we're talking about luffon

1679
01:05:33,490 --> 01:05:31,599
right now

1680
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,500
and it's a good subject

1681
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,359
[Music]

1682
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,599
well and and

1683
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,319
you know once again um you know we have

1684
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,200
a i don't understand at least

1685
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,240
does does mufon have a state director

1686
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,200
for the state of new york

1687
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:51,599
of course of course they do i i met him

1688
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,559
once uh back in 2010

1689
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,559
and and what's and what is his i mean

1690
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,400
what is his oh i know i i can't i can't

1691
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,200
remember his name but uh yeah in fact i

1692
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,960
got quite a few

1693
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,880
of the state directors

1694
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:06,720
as well as the uh

1695
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:11,910
uh

1696
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,079
i i suspect that your fund is making

1697
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:20,319
gobs of money they don't have

1698
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,200
uh

1699
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:24,720
very many paid employees if any

1700
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:28,160
and everything is is by

1701
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,599
volunteerism

1702
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,400
plus they're collecting what thirty or

1703
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,160
fifty dollars a month

1704
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,319
uh sorry thirty to fifty dollars a year

1705
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:38,160
from everybody that's a

1706
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,520
i don't know how many how large the

1707
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:41,280
membership is but that's a big chunk of

1708
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,160
money

1709
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,119
there are some people uh that are are

1710
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,680
actually making money within lufon those

1711
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,359
who have

1712
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,640
a title

1713
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,079
um in the

1714
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,960
higher up they all get paid

1715
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:56,000
um

1716
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:57,680
not a big amount of money but they all

1717
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,839
get paid

1718
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:00,559
uh

1719
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,309
yeah

1720
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,720
but most of most of the people are

1721
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,599
volunteers and their investigations are

1722
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,520
out of their pocket

1723
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,319
and once again if the higher-ups go

1724
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,559
like the star team they may

1725
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,480
or the

1726
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,760
sat team

1727
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,480
may go get their

1728
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,240
expenses paid when they go on an

1729
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,559
investigation but not always

1730
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,680
so

1731
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,599
i thought i'd throw that in

1732
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,839
hey and i was a member of the sat team

1733
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:35,680
for a brief period

1734
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:38,319
yeah short period

1735
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:39,119
yeah

1736
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,680
well guess i

1737
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,520
i'm outspoken and i'm not really

1738
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,960
politically correct so i i address

1739
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,280
some of the exact issues

1740
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:53,760
that uh we're talking about tonight

1741
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,039
uh to um jan harzin and um the leader of

1742
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,720
the sat team that what that was one of

1743
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:02,319
my concerns

1744
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,200
is

1745
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,880
um

1746
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,079
we're not going to tell the state

1747
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:07,520
directors that we're coming into their

1748
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,559
state to do an investigation uh really

1749
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,280
that i objected to that too yeah i had a

1750
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,720
problem with it right from the get-go i

1751
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,400
said and then the other thing was is

1752
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:18,319
that they didn't want to

1753
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,199
now

1754
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:21,359
i was disturbed that they were unwilling

1755
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,719
to use all resources available for

1756
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,199
example if if there was a group and i'm

1757
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:29,440
going to use the oklahoma ufo paranormal

1758
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,319
team

1759
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:32,400
as the example but if an incident

1760
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,679
occurred

1761
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,839
in the state of oklahoma and they had

1762
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,679
knowledge they had witnesses and they

1763
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,679
had the equipment

1764
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,199
right there

1765
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,279
with very little expense

1766
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,920
for sending in the sat team why would

1767
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,239
you not utilize that team pay their

1768
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,319
expenses if nothing else to do on site

1769
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,920
especially if it was a good case and

1770
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,080
they refused to do that you know if it

1771
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,759
wasn't if it wasn't mufon they weren't

1772
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,199
going to do it i'm scratching my head

1773
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,880
going wait a minute

1774
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,719
you know in a battle you use all

1775
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,480
available resources

1776
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:04,159
wherever it sounds like a government

1777
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,600
entity to

1778
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,520
it sounds very much like a government

1779
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,319
entity okay that's how they work okay

1780
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,560
you know i mean i know it's loaded with

1781
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,880
intelligence people

1782
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:17,199
i i know for a fact that it is

1783
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,719
mufon sure

1784
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,279
well you look at it look at how it's run

1785
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,400
i i suspect that um uh well hey john

1786
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,799
alexander who was the right-hand man to

1787
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,600
bigelow and bigelow bought into

1788
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,799
mufan

1789
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,759
yeah

1790
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,600
okay so right there you've got a direct

1791
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,679
pipeline and if you don't know who john

1792
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,319
alexander was he was deputy director of

1793
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,960
the c-i-a

1794
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,560
oh yeah he was a

1795
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,640
spooky guy

1796
01:09:47,929 --> 01:09:47,120
and now he's the director of cya cover

1797
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:47,939
your ass

1798
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,759
[Laughter]

1799
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,159
well yeah

1800
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:56,400
heavy connections between cia and

1801
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,679
neutron always has been but uh uh

1802
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:03,440
i accused richard hall i didn't i

1803
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,120
shouldn't say accused but i was being

1804
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:07,679
very direct with him i suspected that he

1805
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,800
had infiltrated nightcap

1806
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:11,520
and

1807
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:16,480
he got

1808
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:23,350
that cap started it was an honest

1809
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,480
organization that infiltrated roof on

1810
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,960
was supposed to have been a fresh start

1811
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,199
from night gap because my cap was was

1812
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,719
interested by cia and then uh mufon got

1813
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:36,560
corrupted and so

1814
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,030
if you look back the same people that

1815
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:45,040
were nightcapped that became

1816
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:48,880
mufon and so how you know it's it just

1817
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,560
opens up the back door right away so

1818
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,480
here we here we are talking about three

1819
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:57,199
letter intelligence agencies and john's

1820
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,800
in a loony bin for saying the same thing

1821
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,080
well that's what i'm saying we have a

1822
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:05,679
dog in this fight yeah no yeah

1823
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:09,040
isn't that very yeah you know

1824
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,840
yeah

1825
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,400
well where i was going is basically uh

1826
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,239
trying trying to figure out why mufon

1827
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:15,920
outside of the fact that they're you

1828
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,400
know they're probably corrupting cia but

1829
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,120
why would they have uh

1830
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:24,320
a regret about coming to john johnson

1831
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,199
done

1832
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,120
if uh

1833
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,480
they're not making any money if they're

1834
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,000
completing poverty

1835
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,480
to take on a case a legal case or

1836
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,480
somebody gets in trouble uh if you're

1837
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,480
talking about tens of thousands of maybe

1838
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,040
not a few hundred thousand dollars the

1839
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,000
illegal fees to defend that person

1840
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,719
so they might you know excuse for not

1841
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:47,199
getting involved well this this issue

1842
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:52,000
with uh john ford in the in the u.s army

1843
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:53,199
uh

1844
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,199
when this happened in the 90s

1845
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,440
once again it's the irony of it but

1846
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,320
there was a toxic dump that was exposed

1847
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,719
in denver's rocky flats

1848
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,040
and that was in the 90s also and i guess

1849
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,040
guess who was involved in that

1850
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,520
united states army no the united states

1851
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,310
well yeah i don't know if you guys if

1852
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,239
you guys read the papers from long

1853
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:22,960
island but uh there right now just

1854
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:25,520
investigating the former the former

1855
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,719
former owners of of uh grumman there's a

1856
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:31,199
there's a uh a ground water plume in

1857
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:32,560
beth page

1858
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,470
there's some serious pollution going on

1859
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,480
in area 51

1860
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,719
i mean big time

1861
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,600
um

1862
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:49,840
well i use a lot of jet fuel you use a

1863
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,719
lot of jp4 and slush hydrogen and god

1864
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,719
knows how they make that material that

1865
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,800
they used to coat the beat the stealth

1866
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,360
fighter and the stealth bomber with

1867
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,560
was was interf not manufactured but

1868
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,719
tested out at area 51

1869
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:07,360
and they burned a lot of that crap in a

1870
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,910
shocking badly affected well yeah

1871
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,679
you know this ties directly to you know

1872
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,920
john getting involved in this uh toxic

1873
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:20,960
waste

1874
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,000
dump over a ufo incident and hey it's

1875
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,679
like a string you start pulling it next

1876
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,880
thing you know you got a whole ball of

1877
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,880
twine at the bottom of your feet and it

1878
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,239
may be hey

1879
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,320
it looks like there may be a common

1880
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,320
thread it disappears that way that the

1881
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,159
united states army may be the one that's

1882
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,880
involved in a lot of this military toxic

1883
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,239
dump stuff

1884
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:42,719
and if it was going to be uncovered in

1885
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:44,560
suffolk county

1886
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,390
denver colorado phoenix arizona wait a

1887
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,440
minute how widespread is this toxic dump

1888
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,960
that's connected to the united states

1889
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,560
army how big is it

1890
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:59,280
well i would also remind people that uh

1891
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,800
camp hero

1892
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,040
as has been reported to me

1893
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,520
by at least one officer of the court was

1894
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:06,719
a

1895
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:26,840
uh

1896
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:31,120
stuff that has gone on and camp hero has

1897
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,480
been used for that

1898
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,120
in addition to the top secret stuff that

1899
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,000
goes on in plum island which is oh yeah

1900
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:40,159
sure thank you

1901
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,920
you can thank uh plum island for the

1902
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,920
lyme disease

1903
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,239
yep well yes which was originally called

1904
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,719
originally was called montauk knee the

1905
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:51,040
original name of lyme disease montauk

1906
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,480
knee

1907
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,320
u.s bombers

1908
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:56,159
wow

1909
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:57,120
what

1910
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,400
no i was just saying that's montauk me

1911
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,239
the name yeah

1912
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,239
yeah so

1913
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:07,199
when you have these old uh associations

1914
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,800
of the military industrial complex

1915
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:13,199
uh you know that includes the army and

1916
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:17,199
there's all this fraternalization

1917
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,080
that

1918
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,960
is always going to be not viewable in

1919
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,640
public documents look at all these

1920
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:24,960
command officers when they retire from

1921
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,280
the military service become

1922
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,120
lobbyists for these big defense

1923
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,800
contractors

1924
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,080
of course

1925
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,560
okay i mean if that doesn't raise a red

1926
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,960
flag i don't know what is i mean hey you

1927
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:39,360
can't tell me that monsanto dupont they

1928
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,640
don't they're not

1929
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:43,360
they've they pawn their waist off to the

1930
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,400
army and they take care of it

1931
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:48,480
also i was about to see the uf uh u.s

1932
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,800
military or the industrial complex has a

1933
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,640
long history and not giving a [\h__\h] about

1934
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,120
the american modeling they've uh

1935
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,320
they've been caught red-handed uh

1936
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,880
i believe there was one case where they

1937
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:02,320
uh

1938
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,280
they purposely infected populations to

1939
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,400
see what the

1940
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:08,159
the reaction of the uh of the infection

1941
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,120
would be

1942
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:11,360
they marched 200 gi

1943
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,760
and detonated atomic bomb and all they

1944
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,080
got was goggles over there

1945
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,560
right knowing that there would be a they

1946
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,520
uh they took 200 uh black soldiers and

1947
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,440
injected them with the syphilis virus to

1948
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,600
see yeah different vaccinations and i

1949
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,760
mean those were all documented cases and

1950
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,679
those are the ones we know about

1951
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,640
um

1952
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,669
agent orange in vietnam oh no that won't

1953
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,000
cause any sickness yeah okay and these

1954
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,760
guys were sprayed with this stuff like

1955
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,679
taking a shower and now you know they're

1956
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,199
reaching you know

1957
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,120
their 60s and all of a sudden they're

1958
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:48,960
coming down with what they call wagner's

1959
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,199
disease which basically your kidneys and

1960
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,440
livers uh brought you from the inside

1961
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:55,920
out which is exactly what this uh

1962
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,600
symptoms of aginoin poisoning does so so

1963
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,159
the possibility the possibility of the

1964
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:05,040
military link to the long island uh oh

1965
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:06,159
yeah

1966
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,560
a major research center there that is

1967
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:12,159
doing research for the department of

1968
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:13,600
defense

1969
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,120
yes okay i mean you can't get any direct

1970
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,800
in that and so

1971
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,040
yeah i would i would say that there's a

1972
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:23,600
probably a real good chance that the

1973
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,440
underlying underlying forces in this

1974
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:28,880
could be

1975
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:31,920
federal u.s army or corps of engineers

1976
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,800
maybe both who knows but

1977
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:36,239
the tom

1978
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:37,360
yes

1979
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,280
yeah i i mean we're talking some serious

1980
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,880
heavy you know

1981
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,560
federal agencies

1982
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,040
somebody got to the a e network because

1983
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,800
they were they were going they were

1984
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,840
about to do an expose on john's case

1985
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:53,199
they even hired

1986
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:53,920
and

1987
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,840
the whole thing was dropped like a stone

1988
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,719
i never got a reasonable

1989
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,719
a reasonable explanation as to why right

1990
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,199
right now

1991
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:04,880
other than that it's owned by the hearst

1992
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,350
they don't want to get they will not get

1993
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,840
involved in anything that controversial

1994
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,679
because if john does turn out to be a

1995
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,960
looney tune

1996
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:19,280
you know they're out a lot of money so

1997
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,400
um

1998
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:22,480
and and it all goes to whatever the

1999
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,840
judge says

2000
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,400
so uh it comes back to the thing that

2001
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,480
john's stuck in a loop

2002
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,159
every time he has to be released he

2003
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,719
can't be hey jill let me let me ask you

2004
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:34,239
something and i've i've asked this

2005
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,360
before

2006
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,679
and it is a concern of mine only from

2007
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,360
the standpoint

2008
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,679
of john's

2009
01:18:46,270 --> 01:18:44,159
will if you will and i am

2010
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,280
i'm concerned that he hasn't been

2011
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:48,320
institutionalized and i have known

2012
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,960
people that have been in prison for

2013
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,880
20 some years and they look at as three

2014
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,719
hearts and it cots and they are very

2015
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,280
comfortable at being in prison

2016
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,880
everything's taken care for them and

2017
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,800
that's when you become institutionalized

2018
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:02,000
your day is laid out for you you don't

2019
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:03,280
have to make any decisions hey you know

2020
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,560
when meals gonna be served you know when

2021
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:05,679
you can take a shower you know when you

2022
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,040
get exercise

2023
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,360
and they're they're content with their

2024
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:10,880
lot in life

2025
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:14,080
i is we did we did speak about this on

2026
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:15,840
several shows but

2027
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,480
every time i took john and you know i

2028
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:20,400
speak to him two three times a week at

2029
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,280
least

2030
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,120
every time i talk to him that's all he

2031
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,880
can think about that's all he talks

2032
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:26,960
about is getting out of there

2033
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,760
okay occasionally he says he says i have

2034
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,840
to do this so i have to do that or damn

2035
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,440
it i have to do that

2036
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:35,520
or i have to get off the phone the mail

2037
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:37,840
is here or something like that but he's

2038
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,320
always writing letters he's always doing

2039
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:42,480
something and he's always reaching out

2040
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,920
to the outside and saying how much

2041
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,840
how he can't wait to get out he's always

2042
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,440
calling lawyer

2043
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:51,679
asked medical lawyer

2044
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:54,560
um you know find out what's going on

2045
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,600
uh

2046
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,640
you know

2047
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,960
so it's it's like he definitely wants to

2048
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:01,199
get out it's not that he's

2049
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,560
stuck at precauts in a hot situation

2050
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,159
he's actually

2051
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:07,760
you know he's looking been looking

2052
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,760
forward to getting out for so long i

2053
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:11,920
think that's all he knows how to do

2054
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,239
all right we're talking 21 years now as

2055
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,840
of last month

2056
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,600
okay

2057
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,080
21 years in one month

2058
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,080
so then i would tell that lawyer to grow

2059
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:24,400
some balls and get moving

2060
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,199
well

2061
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,040
we're kicking him we're getting rid of

2062
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:29,760
him we're getting rid of him we got we

2063
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:32,400
we're we're just on the verge of getting

2064
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,840
someone who's agreed to co to do do it

2065
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,840
we just have to iron out the details and

2066
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,199
by next month

2067
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:41,360
everybody will know who it is

2068
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:42,159
and

2069
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,280
suffolk had better start becoming really

2070
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:49,440
afraid

2071
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,320
mm-hmm

2072
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,080
exactly

2073
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:54,000
you know

2074
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,520
i'm happy

2075
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,000
to hear that that's that's uh

2076
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,199
that he's uh changing attorneys and

2077
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,440
hiring someone else because we've been

2078
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,800
saying this for a little while that it

2079
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:06,480
was necessary and

2080
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,400
it's it's time so i'm glad he's doing it

2081
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,440
when it's your third attorney uh

2082
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,199
you know it's like sending

2083
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,120
uh batters up to the plate and you

2084
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:19,440
expect them to keep striking out

2085
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,640
uh

2086
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:23,120
this is what i would expect just just

2087
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,480
because of the nature of what we're

2088
01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:26,960
dealing with hopefully i'm wrong

2089
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,640
i i want

2090
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:30,640
you know i want this to work but it's

2091
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,390
well if john heapley can get out after

2092
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:38,400
shooting the president of the united

2093
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,400
states and get paroled to his mother and

2094
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,199
essentially has the same type of mental

2095
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:47,120
ailment that the state is claiming that

2096
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,520
john ford has

2097
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,679
but hinckley had no case

2098
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,800
against anybody he they they had a case

2099
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,639
against him yeah that's right he's not

2100
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,480
he's not a he's not a multi-billion

2101
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,239
dollar threat to the state of new york

2102
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:01,840
or suffolk county

2103
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,880
john that's no i don't know i i get that

2104
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,040
what i'm saying is is that

2105
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,480
we don't have any record of where

2106
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,480
any kind of treatment

2107
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,400
mentally that they have given to john

2108
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,400
that he that has shown any type of

2109
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,639
progress what has been the treatment and

2110
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,719
why hasn't there been a problem if there

2111
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,719
could be progress made

2112
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,440
what happened see that's that's where

2113
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,159
the legal beagle comes in

2114
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,120
okay somebody that can uh file with the

2115
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,440
court demanding that we have those

2116
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,360
records that we have the the attorney

2117
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,360
has a right to look at the evaluation

2118
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,360
the attorney and john ford has a right

2119
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,719
to know what kind of

2120
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,840
um

2121
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,080
procedures and and treatment that they

2122
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:45,360
have given him

2123
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,120
and and why

2124
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,679
it would be a question to a judge is

2125
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:51,040
that if that's the case how come there's

2126
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:52,159
been no improvement because they

2127
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,679
certainly done wonders with hinckley i

2128
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:55,280
mean you know he's going to be a high

2129
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,709
yeah well hey

2130
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,870
i don't even know how to respond to that

2131
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,120
okay i don't even know how to respond to

2132
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,080
that all i know is suffolk county and

2133
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,840
the state of new york are looking to get

2134
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,280
you know they're looking at really

2135
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,080
massive lawsuits you know possibly in a

2136
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:18,480
billion dollar range right

2137
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,400
and it's completely indefensible okay

2138
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,639
all we need is the right attorney

2139
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,040
he's got all the documentation he's got

2140
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,000
the witnesses he's got everything lined

2141
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,360
up all right all he needs is a venue

2142
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,440
all right he needs an honest judge and

2143
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,880
an honest court

2144
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,600
and and a real jury not not a long

2145
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:41,920
island jury a real jury from from you

2146
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,280
know a jury of his peers normal people

2147
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,120
and i think

2148
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,560
he's going to walk

2149
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,560
and he's going to take

2150
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,880
suffolk county for everything that they

2151
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:57,270
yes

2152
01:24:12,390 --> 01:23:58,639
and

2153
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,149
that is going to

2154
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,560
push it in front of a judge

2155
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,560
okay i mean we're talking constitutional

2156
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,000
issues here too

2157
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:22,639
and they have to address those he had

2158
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,280
his he has a right to know i mean you

2159
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,040
know he that is

2160
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:29,120
that is uh you know rights of a prisoner

2161
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,880
of war for christ's sakes needs to know

2162
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,000
not only

2163
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,639
uh you know he's been given treatment

2164
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,520
okay he's at a mental institution so

2165
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,600
where's the let's get the evaluations

2166
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,120
that the state done on them and seeing

2167
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,360
what suggestions

2168
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,080
that they've made to improve john ford's

2169
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:47,840
mental state and that comes from the

2170
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,910
well i don't i don't care if you see if

2171
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,679
he's in new york from pennsylvania

2172
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:58,080
that's a that's an issue that all states

2173
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:59,760
have to abide by

2174
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:01,840
yeah let me see my client's

2175
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,360
evaluation and what you've done to uh

2176
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:07,840
uh help them along to improve his mental

2177
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,070
they probably probably come along and

2178
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,159
say we'll get we'll get that to you

2179
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:16,480
within the next six months and then six

2180
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,159
months comes by and they say well you

2181
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,400
know we can't find those records maybe

2182
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,400
within the next two to three months

2183
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,920
we'll have something for you and then it

2184
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,400
just stalls installs installed uh not if

2185
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:28,400
you put it in front of the judge

2186
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,360
if if

2187
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:31,040
you get it in front of the judge yeah

2188
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,199
well hey look you gotta have some faith

2189
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:35,120
in the legal system otherwise the whole

2190
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:36,400
thing would have gone down the [\h__\h] a

2191
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:39,840
long time ago and and i there there are

2192
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:42,880
honest judges there are honest uh

2193
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:45,520
lawyers i mean i don't i know i beat up

2194
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:47,679
on the vultures profession aspect of it

2195
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,960
but yeah you do well but but no no i i

2196
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,560
understand that there are very good

2197
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,199
honest attorneys all right they are they

2198
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,840
do exist and they and they have passion

2199
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:00,000
and they believe in the system uh

2200
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,600
unfortunately

2201
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,840
um you know that profession like i said

2202
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:05,440
is in charge of the hen house and we

2203
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,639
keep wondering why we're missing

2204
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:08,159
chickens and when the fox is doing the

2205
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,199
guarding

2206
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,120
but that's a whole other issue the fact

2207
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,520
of the matter is the only way

2208
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,520
that you're going to get

2209
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,920
movement in the john ford case as i see

2210
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,520
it i'm certainly not an attorney but it

2211
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,440
has to be done from the legal end of it

2212
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,760
putting pressure on the legal system

2213
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,040
that's what his attorney should have

2214
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,600
been doing that damn reno he's had two

2215
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,760
years and how much money have you spent

2216
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,159
on him and he hasn't done diddly squat

2217
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,080
that i know of

2218
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,639
too much

2219
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:38,400
how much have you spent the legal fees

2220
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:41,440
for john you know for a long time over

2221
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,280
twenty thousand dollars over twenty

2222
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,120
thousand dollars and

2223
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,080
and about seven thousand for the uh for

2224
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,520
the doctor

2225
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,000
and i don't know about the costs i i

2226
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,920
really i haven't i had i would have to

2227
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,639
actually look at the books

2228
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,560
it's about about twenty thousand dollars

2229
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:01,280
for a few years for a few years and john

2230
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,110
he agreed to dismiss it because it was

2231
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,159
too close to the two-year title of time

2232
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:22,320
and just approach it to for the new uh

2233
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:23,920
for the new uh

2234
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,239
uh see john's only allowed to file for

2235
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,360
release every two years and by the time

2236
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,760
he got done screwing around

2237
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,840
literally screwing around and and

2238
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,320
stepping over everything

2239
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:38,639
you know with john with the

2240
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,440
robert reno not not objecting to a damn

2241
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,520
thing and i mean you know they were

2242
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,440
cherry picking uh

2243
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:48,080
uh psychiatric testimony from three

2244
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,320
different doctors and and and two

2245
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,320
different doctors at the hospital

2246
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,639
uh they were they were filing motions

2247
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,560
and he didn't even know how to object to

2248
01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:58,639
emotion i mean i could have done a

2249
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,560
better job you know i i have no legal

2250
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,719
degree i have no legal degree i don't

2251
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:06,480
know anything about the law other than i

2252
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,870
right it's john's chase it's john ford's

2253
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,800
choice if he says write the check i

2254
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,080
write the track

2255
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,159
if he says direct deposit in the guy's

2256
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,239
account i direct deposited

2257
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,800
i mean it's john's money it's you know i

2258
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,400
understand that but he's not getting

2259
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,400
anything for his money

2260
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:32,310
he knows that now and he's getting a new

2261
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,600
lawyer tomorrow morning i hope

2262
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,159
if this guy is in but when they see his

2263
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,400
name all i can say is when they see his

2264
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,639
name on the on the uh

2265
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,400
on the papers that he falls with the

2266
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,360
court so next show will be sunday august

2267
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,440
13th 9 p.m eastern you're listening to

2268
01:29:02,610 --> 01:28:51,679
the john ford ufo nightmare on inception